21:01 Torrey Philemon
enters...
21:02 Torrey Philemon: Song of Troy chat officially starts
at 9pm.....I'll be back at 9:10 - I'm reading Zoe's new posts!
21:09 Zoe Xanthippos enters...
21:11 Zoe Xanthippos: Sitting quietly here, waiting
21:14 Torrey Philemon: Hi Zoe, I'm here now. Morgana is on
her way.
21:15 Torrey Philemon: Just enjoyed reading your posts.
I'm glad you researched about old religions vs. new religions. I wanted to
look into that.
21:17 Morgana Flavius
enters...
21:17 Torrey Philemon: Welcome Morgana. Zoe, I believe is
silently waiting......ZOE CAN YOU HEAR ME?
21:17 Morgana Flavius: Hello ladies!
21:17 Zoe Xanthippos: I think there's a lot more to
know/say but that's all I've come up with so far that hangs
together
21:17 Zoe Xanthippos: Please excuse. I was in the
kitchen
21:18 Morgana Flavius: I didn't have the chance to read
Zoe's last posts...
21:18 Zoe Xanthippos: Hi Morgana, Torrey!
21:18 Torrey Philemon: I didn't check the board until
about ten of nine and had a lot of reading to do then because of your
posts! Morgana, have you had a chance to read the board this week?
21:18 Torrey Philemon: Ah, she answers my question as I'm
asking it......! <-:
21:20 Zoe Xanthippos: I'm sorry, I always seem to do
things at the last minute. Maybe because I keep hoping for the
ultimate bit of info to make it all come right in my mind
21:20 Torrey Philemon: Speaking of questions......Zoe
asked some questions which I have too. Like - is there another source for
the splitting of the army into two camps (I hadn't heard of that before).
Or what was the code of honor for wars (not starting a battle until you've
officially proclaimed war and given the other a chance to prepare? )
21:20 Torrey Philemon: (Sorry I seem to lack the social
grace of small talk and easing into a discussion. I just plunge in!
)
21:21 Zoe Xanthippos: After I posted that I ran into a
reference to the Heroic Code whatever that is but didn't have time
to go look for it
21:21 Morgana Flavius: I usually do the same Zoe: post at
the last minute so I can gather as much info as I can.
21:22 Torrey Philemon: Chat tends to be slow enough that
we can always fool around in other windows at the same time, right? What
is that.....a kind of "chat adultery" (screwing around elsewhere while
supposedly in one place)?
21:22 Zoe Xanthippos: We ought to know each other well
enough by now to forgo the formalities!
21:22
Torrey Philemon: Actually folks I didn't even
finish up to book 17 (I'm on 16) - ran out of time myself!
21:22 Morgana Flavius: But this time I really didn't have
a chance. This is the first time this week I can log into AS.
21:23 Torrey Philemon: We'll make you take the oath of the
quartered horse that you'll post this coming week, Morgana <-:
21:24 Zoe Xanthippos: And the splitting the camp up
certainly makes sense as Agamemnon refused to provision this group for
years and years. They would have needed to forage for supplies and
also to weaken the possible allies for Troy. Since Homer starts
after 9 years, I just wondered if it was all made up?
21:25 Morgana Flavius: Yes, we're beyond formalities. And
I'll be glad to jump right into what we liked or disliked most in the Song
of Troy. :-)
21:26 Zoe Xanthippos: Oh, also in the Apollodorus is an
obscure reference to the horse bit - the notes refer to
something called Folklore in the Old Testament as a source for the custom
of standing on the pieces of a sacrificial victim.
21:26 Torrey Philemon: I just have a request that we keep
to the first half of the book for this chat, and do another chat on the
book later in the month. Ok?
21:27 Torrey Philemon: Good research, Zoe!
21:27 Zoe Xanthippos: OK, I have not read past Bk.
17
21:29 Morgana Flavius: I agree, Torrey.
21:29 Torrey Philemon: So we're still at the start
of the war, Morgana. Do either of you have a topic you want to bring up?
21:31 Torrey Philemon: As you said, Zoe, it seems to me
that the splitting of the camp into two - one that was conquering nearby
nations for supplies - makes sense. But I haven't found a source for it
either.
21:31 Zoe Xanthippos: Kalchas. I can't find anything
about his defecting to the Greeks other than what McCullough has given
us. Everything else just says he was 1st at Troy and then with
Agamemnon. Since he was the one responsible for Iphigenia's demise,
one wonders about him and how trustworthy he was - and I gather he plays a
part later also
21:31 Morgana Flavius: I am still thinking about one of
Torrey's early questions: why Paris had to go to a foreign king to "clean"
himself from that unwanted murder...
21:32 Torrey Philemon: The Greek Mythology link site has a
lengthy page on him. I was reading it as I was looking into
sources of the omen he read at Troy. All sources seem to say the same
thing about both the omen and interpretation - the war lasting 10 years
etc.
21:33 Zoe Xanthippos: The purification by another king
part was in the Oresteia also. Religious belief
21:36 Torrey Philemon: What are our sources for religious
beliefs at that time? (By the way Kalchas is also spelled Calchas and one
useful url is http://hsa.brown.edu/~maicar/Calchas.html
21:38 Zoe Xanthippos: Thank you, Torrey. I was using
Kalchas. That told me some of what I wanted to know
21:39 Torrey Philemon: Morgana, you referred earlier to
sharing what we like and don't like about the book. Want to start?
21:40 Zoe Xanthippos: One has to depend heavily on the
mythology. I have a good book though, Walter Burkett's Greek
Religion and also Prolegomena by Jane Ellen Harrison (the last was
originally written in the 1800s
21:41 Morgana Flavius: I think it was a silly thing that
McCullough used the Greek spelling of the charcters... Most of them are
much widely known by their Latin names...
21:42
Zoe Xanthippos: I agree, Morgana. I got all
hung up on wondering who Kentaurs were until I realized it was
Centaurs
21:43 Torrey Philemon: Ah, so there's a K and C
difference..... (Klytemnestra too)
21:44 Zoe Xanthippos: I like the effort she makes to put
the supernatural aspects of the myths into some explainable action rather
than just magical phenomena
21:45 Torrey Philemon: From the standpoint of a writer, my
guess is that she preferred to fully immerse herself in the Greek view of
that time, including the experience of names.....
21:46 Morgana Flavius: I saw no point into the Greek name
usage. And I didn't like that in the book, for one thing.
21:46 Torrey Philemon: Yes, Zoe, and how she tried to
explain why some characters did as they did, like Achilles hiding out
among the women. That never quite seemed to be in character - but his vow
to Thetis made sense.
21:48 Torrey Philemon: I really liked how she alternated
between different character's points of view, and did quite a good job of
revealing their character in the process. Like Helen's superficiality and
self-centeredness and Odysseus' (amoral) shrewdness.
21:49 Morgana Flavius: Yes, that is one of McCullough's
qualities: she really knows how to make something unbelievable look quite
plausible.
21:50 Zoe Xanthippos: Torrey, you just don't like
Odysseus! *g*
21:50 Zoe Xanthippos: He's no more amoral than the rest of
them
21:50 Zoe Xanthippos enters...
21:51 Morgana Flavius: I think Helen can be seen as a
superficial person or as a woman who really dared to live according to her
feelings.
21:51 Zoe Xanthippos: Where'd I go? I think her
method is useful as we get a picture of various sides of this story -
particularly because the one main source - Homer - doesn't cover the early
period
21:53 Torrey Philemon: Actually Morgana I do like
Odysseus.....but I don't like him as McCullough portrayed him! I guess I
just go for "sensitive men" (but I do like intelligent ones!)
21:54 Torrey Philemon: It's hard to tell what facets of
her story are carefully researched and which are made up. She blends them
together so integrally.....
21:54 Zoe Xanthippos: What do you think of the version of
Helen's story that puts her in Egypt during the war and not in Troy
physically but as her spirit or something?
21:55 Torrey Philemon: That's an interesting legend. I've
been wanting to look into it. There's a book out on the subject, I
think......maybe several.
21:56 Zoe Xanthippos: Helen in Egypt by Hilda
Doolittle
21:56 Morgana Flavius: I think that Homer left room for
several (and often contradictory) interpretations of the
characters.
21:57 Torrey Philemon: Actually I don't think so many
people would have focused on Helen as the "cause of the war" if she
weren't ever present at all. But there is a mystery religion focused on
her in Rhodes. I researched this once because my closest friend is named
Helen Rhodes.......!!
21:58 Zoe Xanthippos: This version of Helen though does
not evoke any sympathy from me. She just seems like a spoiled child,
as I said, and the picture of a stereotypical 'beautiful woman'
21:59 Morgana Flavius: Marion Bradley, in her "Firebrand"
portrays Helen as a good wife to Paris. They had several children while
she stayed in Troy. And when the war was over, she preferred to go back to
Menelaus (even without loving him) than to be given as a slave to someone
else.
21:59 Torrey Philemon: Perhaps that's part of why the
characters have captured the imagination throughout the centuries.......
the characters are interesting psychologically. I for one always wonder -
was Helen a dodohead who fell in love and ran off with Paris or was she
indeed kidnapped as some sources say? Could she perhaps have NOT WANTED to
go with Paris?
21:59 Torrey Philemon: (Have you read Helen in Egypt,
Zoe?)
21:59 Zoe Xanthippos: I'd like to look that up, I hadn't
come on the religion
22:01 Morgana Flavius: Helen is really a dubious
character. From what Homer tells us about her, any interpretation could be
valid. McCullough chose the one of a woman who knows she's incredibly
pretty and does not look for any other satisfactions in life besides her
sexual and personal gratification
22:02 Torrey Philemon: Iread Firebrand when it first came
out, Morgana, and don't remember it much....but now that you mention Helen
in it, I do recall her character in Bradley. I don't think it was as
superficial as McCullough portrays her.
22:02
Torrey Philemon: Neither Helen nor Paris have any
awareness of the consequences of their actions......
22:04 Zoe Xanthippos: Apollodorus' notes say she had 3
sons by Paris, Bunomus, Corythus, and Idaeus. Another note says the
Lacedaemonians worshipped 2 of her sons, Nicostratus and Aethiolas
Contradictory
22:04 Zoe Xanthippos: No, I don't haver the Egypt book
just came on it today someplace
22:05 Torrey Philemon: McCullough portrays her as not
missing her children because they were plain!
22:05 Morgana Flavius: Just like Aeneas... Bradley shows
him as a hero (more or less like Homer did). But McCullough portrays him
as a ridiculous minor chieftain. Virgil must be rolling in his tomb!
LOL!
22:07 Zoe Xanthippos: And I've read Firebrand but years
ago, I'd like to have another go at it after reading Song
22:08 Zoe Xanthippos: I agree, both Helen and Paris are
terribly self centered. And Paris is still running of to the
mountains for a part of every year with Oenone (sp?) Priam says he's
pretty useless here
22:09 Morgana Flavius: Another funny thing in McCullough's
version is the homosexual relation between Odysseus and Diomedes. I wonder
where she got that from. Unlike her Roman series, my Song of Troy book
does not mention her sources... She probably made that up. What you think,
ladies?
22:10 Zoe Xanthippos: Speaking of Aeneas - is the
Judgement of Paris against Juno the reason she hates Trojans and Aeneas so
much? Holding a grudge?
22:11 Morgana Flavius: Yes, Torrey. I've seen more one
source saying that Hera and Athena fought for the Greeks, while Venus
fought for the Trojans because of that famous Judgement. BTW, why
McCullough does not mention that? Bradley did and it sounded very
plausible...
22:12 Zoe Xanthippos: They were there for 10 long years
and it was not an unacceptable thing for two men who respected each other
to have sex. I wonder now if it was almost encouraged as a way of
tightening bonds between soldiers and solidifying the troops for when they
went into battle,
22:12 Torrey Philemon: I didn't conclude that O & D
were homosexual, Morgana - just closely bonded in friendship. But then
again I never necessarily assume that same-sex closeness means sex......
but perhaps later in S of T it's more explicit. I wasn't familiar with any
Odysseus/Diomedes stories previously.
22:14 Morgana Flavius: Oh, sorry Torrey! I think I jumped
way ahead of the chapter you are. And maybe I will spoil the surprise
you'll have about O & D according to McCullough! ;-)
22:14 Torrey Philemon: Like you, I find it strange too
that McCullough omitted the Judgment of Paris. But perhaps she didn't want
to focus on the gods.......She's more human-centered. She had Achilles'
friend try to substitute the deer for Iphigenia rather than have Artemis
appear and leave the deer, as legend says.
22:14 Torrey Philemon: Even at the beginning of the
book she has O&D make a pact of friendship, and hang around
together....you didn't spoil anything!
22:15
Morgana Flavius: And yes, it was not unacceptable
that a man had a sexual relation with another man and even Homer gave us
fair hints that this was the case between Achilles and Patrocles. But
Odysseus and Diomedes? Never heard of that one...
22:17 Torrey Philemon: I just looked up Diomedes on Greek
mythology link.... http://hsa.brown.edu/~maicar/Diomedes2.html
....
22:18 Morgana Flavius: But then again... I didn't know
about the myth of Tethis other (murdered) sons, besides Achilles and
Torrey enlightened me on that version.
22:18 Torrey Philemon: There are constant references there
to him "with Odysseus". Apparently they worked as a team a lot during the
war.....
22:21 Torrey Philemon: Hmm. This is news. "When after the
war Diomedes 2 went back to Argos, his wife Aegialia plotted against him
[see below]. So he took sanctuary at the altar of Hera"....and fleeing
with his companions by night he passed into Italy" where he later met
Aeneas again..
22:22 Morgana Flavius: The most interesting part of
Diomedes' story in the Homeric Trojan war account is that he was the only
mortal man who was able to wound an immortal. And that immortal was no one
less than Aphrodite! That part McCullough skipped too (according to
Torrey, because she was more human-centered). But Bradley told that part
too, and actually, Aphrodite was Helen, who ran outside the walls to
prevent Menelaus to hurt some Trojans (Aeneas? I can't remember), and
Diomedes was able to hurt her with a spear or an arrow, can't remember
either.
22:24 Zoe Xanthippos: That is interesting Morgana I'll
have to read more on him
22:24 Torrey Philemon: Was that in the Iliad, Morgana?
Diomedes wounding Aphrodite? Interesting (come to think of it I vaguely
remember....didn't she run to Zeus to complain about her wounds?)
22:25 Morgana Flavius: Yes, it is in the Iliad.
22:26 Morgana Flavius: Exactly, Torrey. She ran to Zeus
after that.
22:28 Torrey Philemon: Zoe, I think mentioned that some of
the heroes of the war weren't really heroes. Like Menelaus and Paris, who
were weaker characters. But the weaker men were those who put women
first.......(though heroic Achilles did let a woman become very important)
22:28 Morgana Flavius: Bradley does not lose her human
focus when she tells that story. As I said, she makes it all like a staged
scene, where Helen pretends she is Aphrodite (she was beautiful enough to
attempt it!). After it, the episode became the myth of Aphrodite being
wounded in battle...
22:29 Torrey Philemon: By the way, another Trojan War
novel is Daughter of Troy by Sarah Franklin. Told from the point of view
of Briseis. Very well done in some ways but the political story is
secondary to the focus on sex. Briseis is more interested in men's sexual
prowess than anything else it seems.....
22:29
Zoe Xanthippos: That is believable, Morgana, much
more so that a mortal wounding a goddess
22:30
Zoe Xanthippos: I've seen that one Torrey and
ordered it but it seems to have disappeared into cyberspace
22:31 Zoe Xanthippos: Two more I ran into yesterday are
The Great Legend by Rex Stout but I lost the notes on what they were
about due to a browser crash
22:31 Zoe Xanthippos: the other one is The Autobiography
of Cassandra: Princess and Prophetess of Troy
22:33 Zoe Xanthippos: by Ursula Molinaro, not yet
published
22:33 Morgana Flavius: Ah, that would be an interesting
one, Zoe: Cassandra's biography.
22:33 Torrey Philemon: Ooh the Autobiography of Cassandra.
I've got to look that up!
22:34 Zoe Xanthippos: it was either on B&N or
Amazon
22:36 Zoe Xanthippos: I have also looked up Antenor and
found only more of what is done up in the book - do either of you know
more? He was very correct in his judgements of Priam's
actions
22:37 Morgana Flavius: Antenor was new to me... I don't
recall him in any other book about the Iliad I've read...
22:37 Torrey Philemon: The cassandra book is listed as a
special order at Amazon.com. No reviews however. And it's only 100 pages.
22:38 Torrey Philemon: I think he was mentioned in the
Iliad but not in a significant way.
22:40 Morgana Flavius: Another interesting thing about
Cassandra: according to Bradley's notes at the end of her book, there is
archeological evidence, in the Greek island of Zakynthos, that Cassandra
survied the Clytaemnestra vendetta. That there are descendents of her
burried in that island.
22:40 Torrey Philemon: Here's a question. I was intrigued
by "Helen's" description of her lack of freedom in Troy, how women were
more restricted there than in Greece. Was that true? It makes sense
(excuse the dumb question - is Troy modern day Turkey?)......she wasn't
even supposed to leave the house.
22:41 Torrey Philemon: How can there by archaeological
evidence that she survived? What could archaeology prove in regard to the
life of one woman thousands of years ago?
22:42 Morgana Flavius: There are inscriptions in tombs...
saying that "So and so" was the son of the son of the son of the son of
Cassandra of Troy.
22:42 Zoe Xanthippos: Perhaps the difference was that in
Troy Helen was a foreign wife and in Amyklai she was The Queen.
Also, the Old Religion part, with women still clinging to their former
rights/roles
22:43 Morgana Flavius: According to Schliemann, Troy was
located in what is modern Turkey, yes.
22:44 Zoe Xanthippos: That's intriguing, Morgana, maybe
she had the son before she died - how long did it take Agamemnon to get
back from Troy?
22:44 Morgana Flavius: But Cassandra was taken to Greece
by Agamemnon, and she could have escaped to this island...
22:45 Zoe Xanthippos: There's a lot of "time warp" in all
this stuff, people are young and old at the same time, depending on who
you're reading. It makes it confusing
22:45 Torrey Philemon: (Another Troy novel....about the
women of Troy.....written for adolescents. Inside the Walls of Troy. I got
it recently but haven't read it. It's short. http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0440227496/windweavwebandwi/
22:46 Morgana Flavius: You have a point, Zoe. It took
Agamemnon a long time to come back to Greece. She could have had children
by him... but what's intriguing is that the tombstones mention Cassandra
(a woman) and not Agamemnon or any other man who could have fathered her
children, as the "head" of the family...
22:46
Torrey Philemon: One legend had Helen leave all men
and live a celibate spiritual life with a group of women on
Rhodes.....hence the mystery religion that developed around her there.
22:47 Zoe Xanthippos: Another version of everything that I
keep running into is Euripides' plays - they all seem to have something to
do with the Troy cycle. *going to read all that too, will go blind
soon*
22:48 Zoe Xanthippos: from what i read today, the mothers
had the descendancy rights in early times and the fathers didn't matter or
count
22:48 Zoe Xanthippos: Plus if she was a spoil of the war,
anyone could have had at her
22:49 Zoe Xanthippos: After the war I thought Helen and
Menelaus got blown off course and spent years in Egypt
22:50 Zoe Xanthippos: I am getting ahead of what little I
know here...
22:51 Morgana Flavius: Yes, Zoe, there are other ancient
authors (poets, playwrithers) who wrote about Menelaus and Helen in Egypt
after Troy.
22:54 Torrey Philemon: There seem to be a lot of
"
22:54 Torrey Philemon: a lot of "what happened to Helen"
stories....
22:55 Torrey Philemon: By the way, my Helen's Lament poem
which I wrote for Ancient Sites 2 years ago is here..... http://www.geocities.com/~webwinds/thalassa/helenslament.htm
22:57 Zoe Xanthippos: I wonder that there are so many
conflicting stories of Helne. Maybe she was only a vehicle in
Homer's story for the war and never really was at all, a 'love interest'
part for his listeners or something
22:59 Torrey Philemon: Probably one book that could help
answer that question Zoe is Helen : Myth, Legend, and the Culture of
Misogyny ...... that's another on my shelf that I hope to read! http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0826408508/windweavwebandwi/
23:00 Torrey Philemon: I think that myths and legends
about Helen are like stories about Eve - the male tendency to blame the
woman for being the temptress and therefore to blame for the choices they
make.....
23:01 Zoe Xanthippos: I like your poem, Torrey! It
reinforces my theory on her beauty being a great attractor of all men and
that she was used to it. Though her remorse doesn't fit with
McCullough's portrait of her, surely, she would have felt some
23:01 Torrey Philemon: And one could also mention
Cleopatra in that context!
23:01 Morgana Flavius: I think Helen was either a true or
legendary person, and that she was not created by Homer. He turned to
existing sources when he wrote the Iliad.
23:02
Zoe Xanthippos: That book sounds interesting, hell,
all books sound interesting, I'm going to have to build an
addition!
23:03 Zoe Xanthippos: Yes, the Eve prototype fits.
As in "any beautiful woman must be a bad woman"
23:03 Morgana Flavius: LOL Zoe!
23:03 Torrey Philemon: (Well Zoe you'll have to start
selling the old books on Ebay like I am so you can buy and house the new
ones!)
23:03 Morgana Flavius: Agree with the "Eve
Theory".
23:04 Torrey Philemon: Have either of you seen the Helen
of Troy movie from the 50s. It's really not bad. Definitely worth seeing.
23:04 Morgana Flavius: Haven't heard about it,
Torrey.
23:05 Zoe Xanthippos: Cleopatra was a lot smarter than
poor old Helen and wasn't particularly beautiful either, just knew how to
grandly manipulate people, especially men. Helen seems more passive,
more as being manipulated due to her roving eye than a manipulator.
She had the power because of her great beauty, just didn't know how to
wield it
23:06 Zoe Xanthippos: Nope, might need those 'old
books'!!
23:06 Torrey Philemon: Page about the movie.... http://www.afionline.org/wise/films/helen_of_troy/hot.html
23:07 Torrey Philemon: Right, Zoe. They were totally
different characters. But both were blamed as the cause of
war.....
23:07 Morgana Flavius: Ladies, it's past 1 a.m. here. I
must go.
23:08 Torrey Philemon: Ah gee, maybe in a few years we can
all meet in a chat room and watch watch Helen of Troy online and
talk about it. Just need a few years for technology to get to that point!
We could even eat popcorn while we watch and we wouldn't have to pay
theater prices.
23:09 Zoe Xanthippos: I thought you were on our time
Morgana
23:09 Morgana Flavius: I will read the posts this weekend
and hope to be able to post my reactions.
23:09
Torrey Philemon: Ah Morgana, you're on a 2-hour time
difference again.........Hope you'll post more on Troy in the next 2
weeks. Isn't your birthday coming up? (Do remind us when!)
23:09 Torrey Philemon: (You know Zoe is was a shock to me
to look at a map and discover that all of South America is EAST of North
America. Morgana's two time zones ahead of us!)
23:10 Zoe Xanthippos: How does a 2 hour time difference
come about? The way you said that, Torrey, it changes?
23:10 Morgana Flavius: No, 2 hours ahead of EST when you
switch back from daily saving time.
23:10 Zoe Xanthippos: I knew it was east but not that
much - I need to get out a map don't I?
23:10 Torrey Philemon: From east to west, Morgana's half
the way to England.....The sun rises over her two hours before us!
23:11 Zoe Xanthippos: And when is your birthday
Morgana? I want to remind you of your approaching old age when the
time comes *G*
23:11 Torrey Philemon: When we're on daylight time, you're
only one hour ahead of us, right?
23:11 Morgana Flavius: There is no time changes here. It
is near the Equator and days and nights are the same all over the
year.
23:11 Zoe Xanthippos: ignorance running rampant
here
23:12 Morgana Flavius: Right Torrey. When you're on
daylight time I'm only one hour ahead. And my b-day is this December
8!
23:12 Torrey Philemon: I didn't know myself, Zoe, until
Morgana enlightened me!
23:13 Zoe Xanthippos: Anyway, goodnight, Morgana, I
enjoyed it as always!
23:13 Morgana Flavius: LOL, Zoe!
23:13 Torrey Philemon: Ah, I'll be in Florida then but
I'll wish you happy birthday before I leave. I won't have an Internet
connection for a week......Happy birthday in advance!
23:14 Zoe Xanthippos: Birthday duly recorded here.
Watch for a message!
23:14 Morgana Flavius: Good night. And yes, it was special
as always, to be here with you two!
23:14 Torrey Philemon: (I'll be "home" in Palm Beach
county counting ballots....<-: )
23:15 Morgana Flavius: Thank you both! Bye now!
23:15 Torrey Philemon: I hope you have a chance to
celebrate, Morgana!
23:15 Morgana Flavius
exits...
23:15 Zoe Xanthippos: Surely they'll have done with that
by then, Torrey. It's getting ridiculous
23:16 Zoe Xanthippos: Is there any more to say tonight on
Troy?
23:16 Torrey Philemon: By the way have you seen the Helen
of Troy film? I'd love to hear your reactions. You might have to hunt
around to find it. Amazon.com also carries it I think....I bought it from
them 2 years ago.
23:17 Zoe Xanthippos: The serious part of my brain may be
dying
23:17 Zoe Xanthippos: I haven't seen anything - remember
me? the person who's saving up all the recommended movies for my
sickness in my great old age?!
23:25 Torrey Philemon: Whoops Zoe - I closed your last
telegram and can't telegram you back since you're invisible on the people
panel! Ah, there you are. Gonna sign out in a moment......
23:26 Zoe Xanthippos: We must be done. I think I'll
exit now. Let's arrange the next chat soon, though Christmas does
pose some scheduling problems for everyone I would think.
23:26 Zoe Xanthippos exits...
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